“GOD'S END-TIME MESSAGE (Ephesians 1, AT)” Message # 1119.1.CCK. 01/30/22
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1. Does the term "chosen" in verse 4 of the Alternate Amplified Translation of Ephesians Chapter 1 only refer to those born with incarnate primordial kings?
2. Is the adoption as sons in verse 5 of the same chapter a potential both for those born with incarnate primordial kings and those who were not?
a. Is the adoption fully realized when the Son of Man is birthed? And, is this why Jesus is the firstborn among many brethren? (Romans 8:29)
3. I ask these questions because my understanding was that the potential for birthing the Son of Man was for both those born with incarnate primordial kings and those without. Why would some "chosen" for this message have a primordial king while others would not? What purpose does this serve?
Comment Pastor Vitale:
The premise upon which you base your questions is incorrect. It is true that everyone has the potential to birth the son of man, but that potential is not determined by the presence or lack of a primordial king.
In the beginning, there was the red drop, which is Jehovah's breath. This breath infused the dust with the Shekinah, the life of God. Then, it was disclosed that the creation was "dark," or "destructive" in its perceptions, and Elohim, the creator, said "let there be light." This is the white drop, the holy seed. This holy seed imputed the morality of God as well as the perceptions of God to Adam, and, in particular, to Abel, the dust. Abel, who had the imputed morality of God, was sandwiched between the lower consciousness of the personality, and the higher consciousness of the holy seed which was still attached to Elohim. So Abel, the dust, was a part of the first Adam, the animal below, and also a part of the second Adam, the Lord from heaven, above.
The first Adam and the second Adam are the "whole Adam." Then, the whole Adam lost control of his lower nature, Abel, the conscience of the animal soul was corrupted, and Abel, while still possessing the holy seed, separated from Elohim, which is spiritual death. After that, Abel continued to fall until he was buried under Cain's ground, which is where we are today. Abel died and the holy seed went into a state of dormancy. Today, the holy seed, in its state of dormancy, is present in everyone born of a woman. it is this holy seed that has the potential to be born as the Son of Man, not a primordial king, neither a primordial king from national Israel nor the primordial king delivered through the blood of Jesus.
The blood of Jesus is a complete primordial king, as opposed to a primordial king from national Israel which may be only Malchut (I'm not sure whether or not Yesod is there). Its function, at least initially, is to raise Abel from the dead, revive the holy seed and establish "the whole Adam" (which includes a connection to Elohim) within the member of the first Adam. the revived holy seed is our new nature; our new man whose potential is to ascend to the father (the world of ancient Adam). His arrival at that place produces immortality of the body.
Brethren Question Part 1. Does the term "chosen" in verse 4 of the Alternate Amplified Translation of Ephesians Chapter 1 only refer to those born with incarnate primordial kings?
Comment Pastor Vitale: No. Whoever the Blood of Jesus clings to is chosen.
Ps 22:30 A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation. KJV
Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. KJV
Persons with a primordial king have an advantage, however, because they are likely to be spiritual and may have spiritual cellular memory which would cause them to perceive the true anointing as a "familiar spirit." in other words, it will be easier for someone with a primordial king to be drawn to the anointing. It is my understanding that many Christians come to the Lord because of human problems that result from tragedy in their lives. They come looking for physical and/or emotional healing. But persons who are born with a primordial king, are more likely to come because of a spiritual hunger. In addition, there are usually intellectual and more likely to be educated, although that is not always the case. In other words, persons with a primordial king are naturally drawn to the process that results in immortality, while the person who is satisfied with emotional and/or physical healing, usually thinks the only thing beyond their own personal experience is to bring healing to others. In addition, most are not interested in anything else.
Brethren Question Part 2. Is the adoption as sons in verse 5 of the same chapter a potential both for those born with incarnate primordial kings and those who were not?
Comment Pastor Vitale: It is a potential for both, but the playing field is not equal.
Brethren Question Part 2a Is the adoption fully realized when the Son of Man is birthed…
Comment Pastor Vitale: No.
Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. KJV
I note that the man-child is not caught up to ancient Adam, his father, as I previously said. He is caught up to God, which is Elohim, his Mother in the world of emanation.
Brethren Question Part 2a … And, is this why Jesus is the firstborn among many brethren? (Romans 8:29)
Comment Pastor Vitale: Jesus of Nazareth is the first "egg" of the whole Adam's female reproductive part (the red drop) to be permanently joined to the holy seed (the male drop), also called "fertilization.". He is the holy zygote that is now experiencing mitosis, which begins the development of the spiritual embryo called, "the body of Christ." He has not been born yet.
The Son of Man has not begun to be born yet. I think his completion as a priest of Judah may be the beginning of "the birth," but I am not sure. It is possible that the steps that follow this "beginning of the birth process," may be considered "the development of the child." If that is the case, the birth of the priests of Judah would be the beginning of another spiritual week of seven, one thousand-year days, leading up to the eighth spiritual day, the day of circumcision, the shedding of the exterior flesh.
In the alternative, "the birthing process" of all the members of the body of Christ might be born on the seventh day, the next one thousand-year day of which we are part, might be followed immediately by the eighth day (the one thousand-year day that would follow the one thousand-year day that we are part of.
So, Jesus is, indeed, the Firstborn son, that the woman (the First Adam) is pregnant with.
It may not be obvious that the following Scriptures have not happened yet:
2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. KJV
But it does become obvious that these are prophesied events that have not yet come to pass when you read the following verses:
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. KJV
Remember that the detailed events depicted in prophecy are not necessarily chronological. This is where we are:
Rev 12: 6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. KJV
This is where the Israel of God are, but they do not know it yet:
Rev 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. KJV
Jer 30:7 7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it. KJV
Those of us who recognize the warfare in the unconscious part of the mind (which are very, very few), are here:
Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, KJV
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, KJV
Satan and the Devil are the carnal mind.
Very, very few even have a clue.